Zeiss 80mm f/2.8 C

Planar for Hasselblad (1957-1982)

 

Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8

Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8 C (fits Hasselblad V system, this sample from February 1970, B50 filters, 16.485 oz./467.35g, 3'/0.9m close focus, about $300 used if you know How to Win at eBay.) bigger.

 

Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8

Zeiss Planar T✻ 80mm f/2.8 C (fits Hasselblad V system, this sample from 1980, B50 filters, 15.160 oz./429.75 g, 3'/0.9m close focus, about $300 used if you know How to Win at eBay.) bigger. I got this one at this link directly to them at eBay. Never buy at a retail store or other dealers; you'll pay way too much and have very limited options if you don't like it.

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Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8

Zeiss Planar T✻ 80mm f/2.8 C. bigger.

 

Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8

Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8 C. bigger.

 

Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8

Zeiss Planar T✻ 80mm f/2.8 C. bigger.

 

Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8

Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8 C. bigger.

 

Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8

Zeiss Planar T✻ 80mm f/2.8 C. bigger. This sample had a bizzarre defect where the front and rear surfaces were uncoated; they reflected white light just like window glass. I suspect the coatings somehow became damaged or dirty, and someone accidently took them clean off while trying to clean the lens.

 

Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8

Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8 C. bigger.

 

Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8

Zeiss Planar T✻ 80mm f/2.8 C. bigger.

 

Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8

Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8 C. bigger.

 

Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8

Zeiss Planar T✻ 80mm f/2.8 C. bigger.

 

Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8 internal construction

Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8 internal construction.

 

Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8 Distortion

Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8 Distortion.

 

Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8 Illuminance

Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8 Illuminance.

 

Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8 MTF at f/2.8

Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8 MTF at f/2.8: 10, 20 and 40 cyc/mm.

 

Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8 MTF at f/5.6

Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8 MTF at f/5.6: 10, 20 and 40 cyc/mm.

distortion +1.3 at infinity

 

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Earthrise

Buzz Aldrin inside the LEM during the lunar descent, 20 July 1969. bigger. (Hasselblad 500 EL, 80mm f/2.8 Planar, Kodak SO-368 Ektachrome 70mm film. photo: Neil Armstrong, commander, Apollo XI, NASA)

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The Zeiss Planar 250 f/2.8 is one of the two most classic Hasselblad lenses. These 80mm lenses flew numerous Apollo missions and shot on the moon. The classic shots of the Earth rising over the lunar surface are made with this lens. If you want Hasselblad Lunar, the lenses that shot almost everything on most missions were this 80mm and the 80mm; the other lenses rarely flew.

Planning an important, once-in-a-lifetime photo outing and need to be prepared for anything and everything and to make the most important photographs ever produced? All we brought on most flights to the moon were this 80mm, the 80mm, and that was it.

If you have good eyes and want to see a few of these lenses, just look up at the moon. We left left several of these on the lunar surface, still there today.

Although there are many cosmetic variations from 1957 through 2013, its optics never changed.

T* multicoating was added in the 1970s, but since this is a very simple 1930s four-element, three group optical formula, it delivers great images even uncoated. All versions work great since all are at least single coated. The T* multicoating doesn't add any significant contrast or color boost; it's just marketing here.

What did change over the years is cosmetics, shutters and filter sizes.

The first C version, shown here, came in chrome, then black. It's not marked "C" anyplace; you just have to know. It takes 80mm bayonet filters.

All newer versions are black.

The CF version moved to a rubber focus ring and a larger bayonet filter mount 60mm (B60 or Bay 60) filter. They have a newer Prontor shutter that also works with the focal-plane shutter Hasselblads.

The CFi version replaced the metal filter bayonet mount with a plastic one.

Hasselblad has mostly abandoned making new lenses or bodies for the V system, but that's no big deal because it lasts forever and it's easy to get digital backs for it. That's right; for the same piece as a typical DSLR it's easy to get a used medium format back today; you don't have to hock your Mercedes to buy a new one anymore.

 

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The Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 250 4 works on all V system Hasselblad cameras, but not today's H system from the Orient.

None of the Hasselblad system works with the ancient 1600 and 1000 focal plane cameras from 1948-1957.

All versions of the 250/4 all work on all the usual 500, 501 and 503 series.

Only the CF and CFi versions work on the focal-plane cameras like the 200 and 2000 series.

 

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It covers 2¼" (56.5 mm) square, or a 3.15" (80mm) diagonal.

 

Specifications

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Name

This is the Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8, often suffixed CF or CFi.

It's made by Zeiss for Hasselblad.

 

Optics

Hasselblad Zeiss Planar EF-M 250mm STM internal construction

80mm f/2.8 C internal diagram.

 

Hasselblad Zeiss Planar EF-M 250mm STM internal construction

80mm f/2.8 CF internal diagram. (optics are the same; the outsides of the glass are cut differently to fit in the different barrel and shutter.)

4 elements in 3 groups.

The originally Planar design dates to 1931 by Dr. Ludwig Bertele; this variant uses fewer elements and covers a smaller angular field than the original 80mm f/2 and f/1.5 designs. The big deal about the Planar is that it has few air-glass surfaces so it works great even with uncoated glass. The 1932 80mm f/1.5 design is still sold today by Zeiss.

The first versions are single coated mostly in blue, and most later versions are multicoated, which Zeiss brands T*.

Actual focal length: 248.4 mm. (the CFi version is 243.4mm.)

Flange focal distance: 74.9mm.

Back focal distance: 120.0mm.

 

Close Focus

8.2 feet (2.5 meters) from the image plane.

 

Maximum Reproduction Ratio

1:7.8 (0.13 x).

 

Minimum Field Size

427mm (16.8") square.

 

Diaphragm

5 straight blades.

Stops down to f/2.85.

 

Vibration Reduction

Most of the weight is towards the front, so when used on a camera its large angular moment of inertia gives it good inertial stabilization.

 

Focal Length

80mm.

When used on a Hasselblad camera, it sees an angle of view roughly similar to what a 135mm lens sees when used on a 35mm camera.

 

Angles of View

18° diagonal.

13° horizontal and vertical.

 

Hard Infinity Focus Stop?

Yes.

Just set it to the stop and you're all set for astronomical photography.

 

Focus Scale

Yes, very precise, with tick marks.

 

Depth-of-Field Scale

Yes; the red indicators on the C version move automatically as you set the aperture!

Depth of fields are indicated for a 60 micron circle-of-confusion, which is twice the size usually used for 35m cameras.

 

Infra-Red Focus Index

Yes on the CF and CFi version, not on the C version.

 

Aperture Ring

Yes.

 

Filter Mount

C version: metal 50 mm Bayonet (Bay 50 or B50).

CF version: metal 60 mm Bayonet (Bay 60 or B60).

CFi version: plastic 60 mm Bayonet (Bay 60 or B60).

 

Hood

Special square bayonet hood.

 

Size

C version: 3.11" (79 mm) diameter by 6.14" (156 mm) extension from flange, focussed at infinity.

CF version: 3.21" (81.5 mm) diameter by 6.44" (163.6 mm) extension from flange, focussed at infinity.

CFi version: 3.27" (83 mm) diameter by 6.10" (155 mm) extension from flange, focussed at infinity.

It becomes 31.95mm longer when focussed to its close-focus stop:

Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8
Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8
Focussed at infinity. bigger.
At close-focus distance. bigger.

 

 

Weight

C version

32.780 oz. (929.4g.) actual measured weight.

Rated  32.8 oz. (930 g).

 

CF version

35.3 oz. (1,000 g).

 

CFi version

35.3 oz. (1,000 g).

 

Quality

Made in Germany.

 

Introduced

1957.

 

Discontinued

2013, with the end of the V system.

 

Prices, USA

November 2015:

Except for the Superachromat, all these lenses have the same optical design. Only the external cosmetics, filter sizes, shutter systems and coatings have changed.

If you know How to Win at eBay:

C, Chrome or Black, Bay 50 filters: $150 ~ $300. (Those with imperfect glass or needing repair can be $100 or less)

CF, Black, Bay 60 filters: $175 ~ $500.

CFi, Black, Bay 60 filters: $500 ~ $800.

Superachromat, Black, Bay 60 filters: $1,400 ~ $6,000. (completely different and superior optical design)

 

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Overall

The Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8 is big, beautiful hunk of precision.

It's all metal, all precision, and at least the C models travelled to the moon and are built to last more than a lifetime.

The one I have here was made in 1972, and still works perfectly.

 

Focus

Even my 1972 sample still focuses smoothly.

It's wonderfully precise; the ring turns about 330º from infinity to close-focus distance.

 

Distortion

The Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 250 has a little bit of pincushion distortion.

Try a value of -1.0 in Photoshop's Lens Distortion tool to remove the distortion.

 

Ergonomics

It's a handful, and feels great.

At least the C version is built to last more than a lifetime.

The chrome C version is all matte, not shiny, so it's easy to read even in direct sunlight.

 

Falloff

It does have a small amount of falloff wide open, going away as stopped down:

Zeiss 250 5.6 illuminance

Zeiss' Illuminance curves.

 

Filters, use with

Typical for a long lens, there's no need for thin filters.

Use Bayonet 50 or 60mm filters for fast on/off; or you can use an adapter ring to use conventional screw-in filters.

On the C version that wants B50 filters, an ordinary 52mm screw-in filter will sit inside in the front of the lens. Hold or tape it there and you're good in an emergency. 52mm filters just have enough glass to work without vignetting; don't use adapters to anything smaller.

 

Macro

Macro gets close enough to fit something 17" (427mm) square to fill the 2¼" frame.

This isn't that close; use an extension tube to get closer.

Since it extends 32mm at its close-focus distance, using a 32mm extension tube will let you focus in two ranges down to about 4 feet (1.2 meters).

 

Mechanics

Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8

Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8. bigger.

Lenses don't get any better than this. The Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 250 4 C shown here is solid chromed brass.

See the fine milling marks on the barrels? This lens is lathe-turned brass!

Newer models add more plastic and skimp by painting some markings that should be engraved.

 

For the C version:

 

Filter Mount

Chromed brass.

 

Hood Mount

Chromed brass.

 

Front Barrel

Chromed brass.

 

Focus Ring

Chromed brass.

 

Internals

All metal.

 

Rear Barrel

Chromed brass.

 

Identity

Engraved into barrel and filled with paint.

 

Mount

Metal.

 

Markings

All engraved and filled with paint, except for printed shutter speed and EVS scale and sync indications.

Everything else, even "Made in Germany," is all engraved to last for centuries.

 

Serial Number

It's on the barrel near the hood mount, on the bottom when the lens is held in the shooting position.

It's engraved and filled with paint

 

Date Code

Zeiss serial numbers have been sequential forever, so we use these to date Zeiss lenses.

There's also a red date code stamped inside the rear barrel. Once you have that number:

C version: The last two digits are the month, and the first one or two are the year. Add the year digits to 1957 to get the year. (Hasselblad started this series of lenses in 1957.) 501 is January 1962, and 1503 is March 1972, for example.

CF version: The letter is the month (A ~ L = January ~ December) and the two digits are the year, reversed. Thus F38 means June 83.

 

Noises When Shaken

Mild clicking.

 

Made in

Germany.

 

Sharpness

Image sharpness depends more on you than your lens, and lens sharpness doesn't mean much to good photographers. It's the least skilled hobbyists who waste the most time blaming fuzzy pictures on their lenses, while real shooters know that few photos ever use all the sharpness of which their lenses are capable due to subject motion and the fact that real subjects are rarely perfectly flat.

This Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8 is equally sharp all across the field at every aperture. While not quite as sharp as the 80mm Superachromat, what counts in real photography is consistency across the frame, which the Zeiss 250 does extremely well. Corners are as sharp as the center, presuming you're in perfect focus.

It doesn't get sharper as stopped down; go ahead and shoot wide-open if you like. What will improve stopped down is depth of field and evenness of illumination.

Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8 MTF at 200mm

Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8 MTF at f/2.8 and 10, 20 and 40 cycles/mm.

 

Hasselblad Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8 MTF at 200mm

Zeiss Planar 80mm f/2.8 MTF at f/8 and 10, 20 and 40 cycles/mm.

 

Shutter

Measured at f/2.8

My shutter is about a third of a stop slow, except 1/250 which is right-on and 1/30 where it's a third of a stop fast.. This is perfectly usable and great for a 45-year-old lens that's probably never been serviced:

Marked
Actual
Actual
Error
1
1.18 s
1/0.847
0.24 stops slow
2
640 ms
1/1.56
0.36 stops slow
4
328 ms
1/3.05
0.39 stops slow
8
165 ms
1/6.06
0.40 stops slow
15
71 ms
1/14.1
0.18 stops slow
30
39 ms
1/25.6
0.32 stops fast
60
19 ms
1/53
0.28 stops slow
125
9.5 ms
1/105
0.28 stops slow
250
4.05 ms
1/247
0.05 stops slow
500
2.4 ms
1/417
0.30 stops slow

Chrome one measured wide-open, 06 January 2016.

8.6s self timer

 

My shutter is within a fifth of a stop at every speed, except 1/500 with is slow three-tenths of a stop. This is exellent for a 35-year-old lens:

Marked
Actual
Actual
Error
1
1.118 s
1/0.894
0.16 stops slow
2
557 ms
1/1.8
0.16 stops slow
4
290 ms
1/3.4
0.21 stops slow
8
142 ms
1/7
0.18 stops slow
15
57 ms
1/17.5
0.13 stops slow
30
29.8 ms
1/33.6
0.07 stops fast
60
16.4 ms
1/61
0.07 stops slow
125
8.3 ms
1/120
0.09 stops slow
250
4.3 ms
1/233
0.14 stops slow
500
2.4 ms
1/417
0.30 stops slow

Black one measured wide-open, 20 December 2015

 

Measured at f/11

My shutter is within a sixth of a stop at every speed stopped down, except the expected one-fifth stop slow at 1/125, one-third stop slow at 1/250 and 2/3 stops slow at 1/500. This is what al eaf shutter is expected to do due to the the way the shutter blades move out form the center and back in again:

Marked
Actual
Actual
Error
1
1.1121
1/0.9
0.15 stops slow
2
555 ms
1/1.8
0.15 stops slow
4
281 ms
1/3.6
0.17 stops slow
8
133 ms
1/7.5
0.09 stops slow
15
58.6 ms
1/17.6
0.14 stops fast
30
30.3 ms
1/33
0.04 stops fast
60
17 ms
1/58.9
0.12 stops slow
125
9 ms
1/111
0.20 stops slow
250
4.95 ms
1/202
0.34 stops slow
500
3.12 ms
1/320
0.68 stops slow

Black one measured at f/11, 20 December 2015

 

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C, CF and CFi

I've compared the C, CF and CFi versions above.

They all use the same optics; the differences are your preference for cosmetics, weight, filter size and of course shutter design and compatibility.

I prefer the C; it weighs the least, is built the best, takes the smallest filters, has a built-in self-timer so I can skip the cable release and pre-release, costs the least, and has the same optics as the newest versions.

 

The Superachromat

The 250/4 Superachromat is about the same size, but has a completely different optical design using a fluorite element.

The Superachromat weighs a little less since it uses thinner elements; the Planar uses some very thick glass elements.

The Superachromat doesn't focus quite as close (3.0 vs. 2.5 meters), but its whole reason of being is that it can be significantly sharper. Its fluorite element lets it banish lateral color fringes.

 

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Exposure

Zeiss 80mm f/2.8 EVS controls

Zeiss 80mm f/2.8 EVS controls. bigger.

To set an EV (exposure value) from your meter (or guess based on experience), press the ridged tab towards the camera, and move it until the triangle points to the EV number you want.

Exposure sets in half-stops only.

The aperture and shutter speed rings are usually locked together. This way you retain the same exposure (EV) regardless of how you rotate the ring. Once set, rotating the ring lets you choose different apertures or shutter speeds while retaining the same exposure, Clever, eh?

 

Depth of Field

To preview the depth of field, press-in the little lever shown near the "11" above.

If your lens is cocked, the diaphragm will stop down, and change as you set apertures.

To reset it to stay open, either take the picture, or set the lens to f/2.8, at which the diaphragm will stay locked wide open as you set different apertures.

This C version has an automatic analog computer that calculates the depth of field for a 60 micron circle of confusing. This is always displayed by the red bars next to the focus scale. Newer models economized and removed the computer; they have the usual markings.

To calculate the aperture that will give optimum sharpness when you need depth-of-field and don't want diffraction to soften the image, put a new scale over the computer display and use these half distances (see here for details of how to use these):

focal length = 80.5 mm (actual design focal length)

f/

feet
meters
aperture on Zeiss' computer
5.6
500
152.52
8
250
76
end of aluminum
11
125
38.1
f/2.8
16
62.6
19.1
f/5.6
22
31.3
9.5
f/11

(how to use this)

 

Flash & Digital Back Sync

Zeiss 80mm f/2.8 EVS controls

Zeiss 80mm f/2.8 sync, focus and exposure controls. bigger.

The V X M selector sets the flash synchronization and the self timer.

To unlock the V X M selector lever, move the little lock lever (near the 25 as shown above) towards the front of the lens.

X is normal, for modern studio strobes, digital backs and ordinary electronic flash.

M is for M-type flashbulbs.

V is the self timer. Push the lever all the way towards V, and you'll get an 8 to 10 second mechanical delay after you press the camera's shutter. The self timer always uses X sync when it fires.

 

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This is a perfect lens for head shots. Better than the 80mm, it lets you stand far enough away to get the best facial rendering.

Since the optics of all the versions are the same, you may as well save money and get the oldest and cheapest C model I've shown here.

T* multicoating is unnecessary with the simple optical formula of this lens, so don't worry about it.

I prefer the C model because it weighs 2½" oz. (70 g) less than the CF and CFi versions. The C version is also the only one with flashbulb (M) sync, and the only one with a built-in self timer to save me from needing a cable release.

A great reason to get a CF or CFi version is if your other lenses take B60, as opposed to B50, filters.

Don't bother adapting this to smaller format cameras. A Nikon 200mm f/2.8 is a stop faster, a fraction of the size and weight, and focuses closer for use on 35mm format cameras.

For a front cap, a common 55mm snap-in cap works well if you don't have a real Hasselblad bayonet or slip-over cap.

I got mine at this link directly to them at eBay; they're also at Amazon. Never buy at a retail store or other dealers; you'll pay way too much and have very limited options if you don't like it.

This all-content, junk-free website's biggest source of support is when you use those or any of these links to my personally-approved sources when you get anything, regardless of the country in which you live. Use only the approved sources I use myself for the best prices, service, return policies and selection. Thanks for helping me help you! Ken.

 

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Zeiss' 80mm Planar C data sheet, 1980

Zeiss' 80mm Planar CF data sheet, 1996

Zeiss' 80mm Planar CFi data sheet, 2000

 

NASA's page about this lens and Apollo photography.

NASA's page showing what flew in what on what missions.

NASA's page showing on what Apollo flights this lens flew.

 

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